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Post by natbluestar on Mar 16, 2015 1:54:15 GMT
Test #1 #11632
1. How would you feel if you realized that you were just “stuff”, just this body, and that there was nothing “meta” physical about you? Be sure to use your “I” voice and present your reaction in an autobiographical framework. Also make pertinent references (when possible) to the film on mysterium tremendum.
- If someone came up to me and said I was just “stuff” I would get kind of sad about that because I feel like I am more then inconsequential matter. But when Lane showed us the video of what matter “stuff” is, It changed my prospective of what “stuff” is. Like the film suggest I thought of matter as being flat and not very valuable. But as a fellow woman of science I know that everything is made up of matter and that it is important. But as an intellectual human I would believe that I would rank higher than other things, say like a stuffed animal. So when someone says that I am just stuff it hits my nerve because I can do so many things. But when I watched the film I have come to realized that it is how all that “stuff” is made up and what we do with it that makes it special. So now when someone comes up to me and says “hey, you are just a bunch of stuff,” I will not take it in a bad way but in a positive way because the same “stuff” I am made up of can be the same stuff that make up our whole universe!
2. Using your own life as a template, provide two or more examples of Plato’s Allegory of the cave. Hint: think of those times in your life when you mistakenly believed something to be true or real but you later realized wasn’t. Be sure to think within the context of the movie.
- When I was about 11 years old I watched some scary movies and that night I was jumpy. I was down stairs with the lights dim. I heard a noise of the stairs groaning and looked that way and saw a shadow that looked like the Grimm Reaper and screamed my head off. Then I heard my little brother crying and he came running down the hall by the stairs with a blanket around him. That is when I realized that it was my brother’s shadow I saw and not the Grimm Reaper’s and with me screaming ended up scaring the crap out of my brothers.
- Another example of Plato’s Allegory of the cave is when I came downstairs to get a glass of water. When I was by the kitchen my head started to itch, so I started to pat the top of my head. When I entered the kitchen my mom turned around and started to scream then I screamed then she screamed some more. When we finally calmed down she told me she that that the noise I was making sounded like there was a bat flying in the kitchen.
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Post by amoreno on Mar 16, 2015 21:05:58 GMT
Question 1: If someone told me I was "just stuff" I would't take it too personally. I am fascinated when watching shows like "How the universe works" and some one could say that stars are just balls of burning gas. However, when learning about the formation of stars and how those "balls of gas" explode, or how they vary in size and content, they become quite interesting and marvelous. Being an optimist I value being "just" a cluster of neurons and look at how the human brain has led to endless curiosity and amazing discoveries and achievements. Being called,"just stuff" is the equivalent of a child being told that they're just a kid. But we've all been told a million times that kids are the future. Question 2: It's much easier to think of an ultimate disappointment coming from childhood memories. As we get older we tend to be more skeptical and further research things before believing something that's too good to be true. Not only did our parents deceive us into thinking there was an Easter bunny and Santa Clause but our minds would also deceive us. I remember as a kid I had always wanted to go snowboarding but i had never been. I specifically remember having a dream that I was snowboarding with a bunch of friends and even felt the scarf on my neck to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Well I woke up only to find out that I actually was dreaming and that scarf I felt must have been the blanket. I woke up with a feeling that I had been cheated out of something I always wanted. sites.google.com/site/anthonymorenoblogger/test-posts
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Post by Danny Moreno on Apr 2, 2015 19:16:50 GMT
Week 1 Film Test- 11632
Question 1. As mentioned in the film on Mysterium Tremdum, when people are told they are a body of light, people feel boundless and happy. I personally believe that everyone in the world wants to feel important. To be part of this mysterious place we call Earth. If I was told I was just a chunk of "stuff" I would feel devastated. I would start to question myself and question the purpose of my existence. Pascal once said "those who have infinite faith will have infinite doubt" I am a person of great faith since I am a catholic by religion. I do not agree with us just being "stuff" as mentioned in the film. we have always been told at church that our body and soul is sacred. And for someone to tell me I am just stuff I would feel devastated. I would feel betrayed by my church and feel upset over the things they made me believe about my body and soul.
Question 2. As a younger child I use to be afraid of Halloween costumes. During Halloween, I would cry and beg to my mother to not go trick or treating. I would believe that the people wearing the costumes were actually real monsters. A little insane, yes I know. But as I grew older and with the help of my parents I got over my fear. I could finally distinguish the difference between a person and a costume on a person. Another example, is when my parents made me believe in Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy. Every time I would lose my teeth I would put it under my pillow and get a dollar the very next morning. Until one day when I woke up and my tooth was still under the pillow. I soon realized it was my parents all along.
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Post by Anthony Miranda Mon 3:30-6:40 on Sept 6, 2015 20:16:24 GMT
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1) If I realized I was just this body, I would feel a sense of relief. In the fact that I am only myself and have no other to worry about ie. if I were to have a, "soul." Wouldn't you want to know what exactly happened after death if you did? If you were in essence immortal there would be no, "god" there would be no, "religion" anything metaphysical about you would void all higher powers or an afterlife. Karma would not be from a previous life, no soul and we have nothing after death, this is what scares people. As humans we want to think to ourselves we never actually just die, we are immortal. People want a sense of false security in the afterlife and this derived the, "soul." It is in the not knowing what happens when you die that we have things such as karma and judgment day.
2) I used to believe that your own problems are worse than someone else's but that is not the case, everyone has their own problems or stories to tell. We have this idea in our heads that we are more important than any other human being and its an instinctual behavior to believe such a thing. Once I was older and more mature I began to realize that each persons situation is unique and we can all feel or have felt what one is going through. I could relate this to Plato's allegory because I was only seeing my perspective of a persons life and not actually how it is to them, the stubbornness of myself was finally masked and I could see each and every human is equal on any scale. We get so blinded by our owns thoughts and selfishness we can't simply accept other people emotions correctly, we want to feel as though we are the center of the universe but this is a false thought and creates error among ourselves from seeing past acceptance of anthers thoughts and feelings.
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Post by james on Sept 6, 2015 22:27:12 GMT
James Parker In Phil 1 Tuesday 7pm
1. If I was nothing more then my body or even my brain. I would feel quite empty and hollow, knowing there is nothing beyond this existence. It takes a lot of mystery out of life when science goes to great lengths to explain what we are. There would be no further possibilities beyond the extent of my body and mind. Though we all experience a multitude of things with infinite possibilities. But in the end our bodies decay and we die, then the atoms that comprise my body will return to the earth. Therefore everything that made me unique all my memories and past experiences would be gone. All that would be left of me then would be any legacy, memory in others, or any thing I may leave behind. That is if I believed we were all made of only "this stuff". By only considering myself organic material I lose optimism and open mindedness. And I feel we all thrive on an endless degree of possibilities.
2. There were a few times in my life when I felt trapped in the metaphorical "Plato's Cave". One being the way I viewed the government. In grade school I believed the government to be infallible, I thought they had everyone's best interest at heart. Later in life I discovered cover-ups, civilian surveillance and broken promises. I was in a dark cave not perceiving the shapes and sounds around me for what they really were.
Another time being when I found out that wrestling on television wasn't real. I was a very young child and I idolized a few of these characters. Later when I found out it was all one big dramatic show televised on a nationwide stage, It made me feel stupefied. Like being in a strange dark room then someone turns the lights on. And everything you thought you saw was wrong. It makes me wonder, what other things are in the dark that I'm not perceiving correctly.
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Post by esoemardy on Sept 6, 2015 22:28:11 GMT
1. Realizing that I am just “stuff” or “just a body” wouldn’t really change my life all that much. I never really believed that people have something like souls that reside within their bodies. It doesn’t really matter whether we are “just a body” or actually “beings of light” if it doesn’t change what we are prior to realizing so, because we still function the way we are previously. With this same thought, it might actually be better to be “just a body” or “stuff” instead of “beings of light.” If we are actually “just a body,” it’s pretty amazing to think that we have done and achieved so much while being such an insignificant creature. If great humans like Isaac Newton or Albert Einstein were actually just “stuff,” I wouldn’t mind being classified as “stuff” as well. I believe that it’s not what you are that matters, but what you do and contribute to the world while you are alive. Realizing that I am “just a body” or “stuff,” while making me feel inferior, it will also push me and encourage me to do things I am not expected to do as such an insignificant being.
2. Growing up, I used to watch a lot of television. By doing so, I started making misconception about many things. One of those things is that ghosts are real and out to hurt you. When I was little I was extremely afraid of the dark because I thought ghosts would show up and kill me if there is no light. I couldn’t even sleep with the lights off. I started to think that ghosts aren’t real when I was a freshman in high school. I realized that I have never seen these creatures that would kill me and I realized that I should be more afraid of human beings because there are solid proofs that they actually kill. When I realized that I slowly got over my fear of darkness and now I realized that ghosts don’t exist. Another thing is the fact that there are many bullies in school in the US. I move to the United States in the fifth grade. Because I watch a lot of television shows, I thought I would be bullied because I didn’t know any English. That was a complete misconception. No one really messes with me and I quickly make many friends. I also went through middle school and high school without seeing many bullies. I then realized that there aren’t as many bullies here as I originally thought. Then again, that might just be another misconception that I will realize is wrong sometime in the future.
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Post by lyannemedina on Sept 6, 2015 23:10:21 GMT
Lyanne Medina Intro to Philosophy Mondays 3:30 - 6:40 Code:11632 Question #1 If someone came up to me and told me that I was nothing more than just stuff and that there was nothing meta about me I believe that I would be lost and disappointed. I believe that if we were only just stuff that we would only be operating on our basic instincts and not much else. As human beings we have the capability to feel and do so much more. I feel that for y body I can push it to do so much more, so that is why I believe that I am more than just stuff. There has to be something meta for me to accomplish in what I have accomplished and what I want to do. Question #2 When I was little I use to believe that the tooth fairy was something that actually existed. this was due to my parent telling me this. It was strongly enforced due to the fact that every time I lost a tooth my parents would tell me to put it under my pillow and that the tooth fairy would visit sometime in the night and would leave me money in exchange for my tooth. So like clockwork every time I woke up there would be money waiting for me. This led me to believe in the tooth fairy until I was older and found out that it was not real and it was just my parents leaving the money under my pillow. The second thing that I grew up believing was that there was only one God and that is the one that I grew up with. As I grew older I started to learn that there were more religions and that each religion had its own gods and each one had different beliefs. As I continued to grow and mature I started to question religion and the beliefs that I grew up with until I was able to come to terms with what I believed and what my own morals were. Website: sites.google.com/site/lyannemedina/
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Post by jwilson59 on Sept 6, 2015 23:29:26 GMT
Intro to Philosophy Monday 3:30 - 6:40 Code: 11632 Question #1 If one day I were to just wake up and realize that I was just "stuff" and there was nothing special about me, just a body occupying space, I would honestly feel indifferent. I would just continue to live what I understand as my life until my last day. I would continue to work as hard as I do to provide a comfortable life for myself, spending time with those close around me, and doing things that make me happy. Even if I am just a body and nothing more, doesn't mean I can't still live my life the way I had before this realization. And, just because I realize I am just a body and nothing more, doesn't change how the world is still going to treat me from one day to the next. Nothing will prevent me from progressing on how I choose to live my life. Question #2 Absolute friendship begins as an illusion growing up and all throughout childhood. But, as times change and people get older, friendships that were assumed to last forever break apart and fade away. People aren't always around because they have needs of their own to tend to. Friendship is never absolute, but a shadow being cast showing that something is there that is believed to be true. Friends are people who we believe to be there even though we can't always see them. Along with friendship, living on one's own away away from their parents does not provide the freedoms and carelessness that one would believe. In fact living on one's own creates additional stresses that are never thought about. Freedom is an illusion, when in reality living on one's own is filled with bills, responsibilities, and at times loneliness. Site: sites.google.com/site/indicatorjocky/
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Post by eddiep on Sept 6, 2015 23:57:19 GMT
Code:11632 Question #1 If I came to the realization that there is nothing metaphysical about me and that I’m just simply made out of “stuff,” I would be left with a sense of despair. I’d be riddled with questions about my body and how I came about and would not be complacent with being told that I consist of “stuff”. That being said, if the people around me were contempt with not discovering the unknown I would be curious to see if that mentality would eventually have influence over me and my desire for knowledge. Question #2 An example that relates to mistakenly believing something is true is when I act out my dreams. Although it does not happen often, there has been many times where I’ve woken up due to the intensity of my dream. For instance, I could be falling or fighting in a dream and because I believe so strongly that the dream taking place is real, once I swing or fall the same jerking motion is mimicked in real life. This leads to me waking up in the middle of the night and wondering why I like to hit myself awake. Another example which most of us have experienced as a child is the belief of Santa Clause. As a child the belief I had in Santa Claus almost seemed like my own personal religion. When that time of the year came around I would be visiting multiple “Santa’s” at various malls in order to feed into my beliefs. It wasn’t until I was of age, and partly annoying my parents with my Christmas requests, that I was told Santa Claus was not real. Despite coming to the understanding that Santa Claus was a hoax I embraced my childhood and continued to use my “tell Santa I want…” tactic as much as possible. Site: sites.google.com/site/interestinglymundane/home
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Post by Cindy Dice on Sept 7, 2015 0:44:21 GMT
Film Exam Responses #1 Code# 11632 1.) If I was told that I was just "stuff" or this body, my reaction and digestion of such knowledge would depend on how I received the information, or who delivered it to me. What I want to know is, how did I come across this abstract concept stating that there's nothing "meta" physical about me? Did I read an article or watch a video about it? Was it a family member or a close friend who told me this? Or was it a well-respected public figure, such as Neil deGrasse Tyson or Bill Nye, who exposed this news? It all comes down to the source on how I would feel about someone's realization that we're nothing but walking sacks of meat and bones. If I had found this study on the Internet, most likely I would disregard it. Even if the researched article provided evidence, I would immediately overlook their thesis because I would feel the need to protect my beliefs and steer away from the notion that it's considered absurd to lead a fulfilling life. I wouldn't want to feel left out knowing that others are continuing to chase after their dreams. I wouldn't let one person's theory destroy my determination to live an ideal lifestyle. However, assuming the information was provided by a loved one, I would begin to over think their approach and eventually become distraught over the idea that I'm nothing more than a pile of atoms. Inevitably, depression will wash over me and I would begin to question whether or not life would be worth living anymore. To hear a loved one say that I have no true purpose in life would crush my motivation to pursue any goals I've established for myself. In time, I would shut myself out of public view, never seeking guidance or taking the time to correct any mistakes I've made since I was told that it's pointless to fill my life with meaning. Now, let's assume these views came from either Tyson or Nye. I would be saddened at first, but eventually learn to accept it since these views came from someone whom I admire. I would trust their reasoning behind it because they would provide ways for us on how to approach the topic logically, but reassure us that our reaction to the news is completely normal and we might even welcome the idea. In fact, the thought that we're made out of star stuff actually astounds me and would help me forget about my so-called pointless ambitions because I would be consumed in the idea that we're connected with the universe in some way. 2.) For the longest time, I had believed that because I'm a woman I could never be able to pursue a career dominated by men. One day, my dad, who designs and builds packaging machinery, suggested that I should help him out by making the parts needed for a machine. At first, I was taken aback because I had assumed that he felt that I wasn't built for the job. Two years later, I've helped him make countless parts for various machines, know how to operate numerous tools, and even cut the lumber that I use to assemble a skid and crate for each machine. I was blinded by society's belief that I'm too physically weak and feeble-minded simply because of the gender I was assigned at birth. The shadows of their expectations they had cast discouraged me enough to ignore the thought of becoming an engineer. However, with the help of my father, I erased their shadows by shedding light on my abilities. (Warning: Next paragraph may stir some controversy.) Another example is my belief in God and Jesus. I was ten years old when my parents told me the truth about Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. Ever since that heart wrenching day, I started to question the existence of God. Whenever I had nightmares or was too scared to go trick-or-treating on Halloween, my mom would either hand me a rosary or fasten an angel pin onto my costume and told me to pray to Jesus. No matter how many times I prayed to Jesus, this tactic would never comfort me. I had expected instant results and for my fear to be wiped out entirely, but when it was evident that praying would never work, I eventually gave up. What ended up comforting me was thinking about all of the moments that made me laugh, especially those spent with family. Although Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy never failed to show up, God never delivered or even showed a sign. Site: sites.google.com/site/cindyrollsthedice/
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Post by pzaragoza6 on Sept 7, 2015 1:05:42 GMT
Exam 1 Code:11632 1. If I were told that I was just "stuff" or a just a body, I would feel worthless in a sense. I would feel as if I have no real purpose, and my existence did not have a significant importance. I would question whether there is an afterlife or not. On that note, I would disagree that I am just “stuff” or a body because my mind allows me to travel further than just that. It is what I see in my mind that allows me to transcend what is in the real world. As stated in the Mysterium Tremendum video, we’ve learned that everything physical becomes more mysterious and vice versa. This to me means that even though I am a physical being, there is a hidden truth that is beyond human knowledge about my significance in life. Life is too intricate and extraordinary in my eyes to believe that I am simply just a body. Even though someone can prove that I am just stuff, does not mean that there isn’t a deeper meaning of life. We cannot truly judge what is not in our vision or as stated in the video, we cannot judge the unconscious if we only have the ability to be conscious. It is far too easy to believe we have figured out the meaning of life without any concrete evidence. The gap of error that is created as studies accumulate only widens when it goes into further detail. 2. In my early childhood years, I used to believe that committing sins such as telling ties of stealing would mean that I will not be accepted to heaven or possibly be punished by Satan. This was very terrifying to me as a child, so I became indoctrinated with the idea of becoming an angel child. Little did I know that once I began to commit mistakes (sins), I would not suffer the consequences of Satan, but instead feel guilty and endure a scolding. Sometimes my mistakes would even go unpunished. Also, another time I was short of the truth was the first time I “fell in love”. I was in seventh grade in my first “committed relationship” and I was infatuated with the idea that my significant other would be mine for the rest of my life. I was blinded by the love that was in front and in between the person that was truly there. As in any young relationship, the love soon perished once I realized that my girlfriend had to move back to her native country. Once she left, the love I had for this one girl was no longer existent. I understood that I had wasted my time believing that if dedicated my care and affection towards one girl, I would one day have a big happy family with her. I now comprehend that images or implanted ideas are not always as accurate as one’s mind perceives them to be. One's mind must expand and travel to find the hidden truths that are longed to be discovered. Pedro Zaragoza Site: sites.google.com/site/philomodeled/
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Post by czaragoza3 on Sept 7, 2015 1:49:05 GMT
EXAM 1: 11632 1) This realization would cause very much confusion for me. Knowing that I was raised under the impression that I was more than just “stuff” would be really bothersome to me. I’d be eager to find out the reaction of others as well. If people could no longer be labeled by their physical standpoint, how would they differentiate? If we could no longer relate through our racial or ethnic backgrounds, how else can we relate to one another? I think the only relation we would have is our conscious thought process. Being intellectually equal would bring more comfort to others around us. However, not agreeing with another’s point of view would cause friction. As the film Mysterium Tremendum suggests, not everyone can relate if they’ve all had different experiences. This may also apply to having lack of experiences. On the contrary, I’d be delighted to find out that I can be made of infinite things, as Richard Feynman indicated. This means that I would no longer be limited to my “meta” physical features. Questions that would immediately cross my mind are the following: Am I the only one reacting this way? Is everyone else now living in confusion? Will it affect our existence as a whole? For individuals who think religiously, I would imagine that they would search for answers through their church. This would almost happen instantaneously. I am supportive for people that follow their religious beliefs, as I myself would go to extreme measures to find answers. Whether we decided to view this positively is entirely up to us as individuals. With that said, I would add more value to myself knowing that there are infinite possibilities for the reason of my existence. 2) When I was young our summers were spent at Newport Beach. As a child, I believed that only the residents in our neighborhood had access to the ocean. To look further into my young mind, I was under the impression that the ocean surrounding us was the only one of its kind in the entire world. In a geographical sense, I was very sadly mistaken. As I became part of our school system I learned that the earth was ultimately covered in the ocean water with only small parts of land. Later, when I enrolled in geography courses I learned that our world consisted of seven major oceans. Furthermore, I would never imagine that the sea life underwater was so massive. Again, my youthful thinking caused me to be ignorant about the capacity of earth’s ocean. It was an astonishing discovery and opened my eyes as I grew more knowledgeable about the subject. Another instance is imagining that anyone can reach the moon. When studying astronomy throughout my years, I realized that only two people had successfully landed on the moon on July 20, 1969. Namely Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin. Growing up I always thought that visiting in the moon was as simple as a school field trip. To my surprise, I found out that Apollo missions were more than just simple field trips to the moon. It was an enormous step for mankind to reach the lunar surface. Carlos Zaragoza sites.google.com/site/myphilosophychannel/
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Post by dylanhensley on Sept 7, 2015 2:04:48 GMT
If I realized one day that there was nothing more to this world and there was nothing “meta” physical about me, it would trouble me greatly. Walking outside everyday and seeing the majestic mountains and the tall, unique, and detailed trees everywhere and knowing nothing better awaits after this life would be a tough concept to take in. The biggest problem I would run in to is what my motivation to be an honest and “good” person in life is. If nothing happens after this life, I should take advantage of every situation in a way that benefits me the most rather than doing what is fair and “right.” The other question that would trouble me would be what my purpose on the Earth is. Am I here to live a few decades work my way to set myself up for a retirement and that’s my only reward? This depresses me, because in my eyes human beings are only born to make money and survive. The realization that there would be nothing more after this life would be a tough, cold reality and would more than likely cause me to become a stubborn and selfish man. In life many times things are not as they seem. An example in my life of a time when this was true was my perception of a junior college before I attended Mt. San Antonio College. When I started taking classes I thought I was going to be done in two years and transfer out to a University. I quickly learned that working 30 hours a week and taking 12-15 units each semester isn’t actually easily done. A few “withdrawals” and “D’s” later I’m starting my 3rd year planning on taking three and a half years to get my general education completed. This example shows how different college actually is to how people make it seem when you attend high school. Another example of reality being different than my expectations is the neighborhood that I live in. I live in a nice small town called La Verne in a residential neighborhood. The houses are all kept up, the lawns are green, and several houses are occupied by families similar to mine (parents, children, pets, etc.) Driving down the street you would think it’s a great place to raise a family, however there have been two different arrests in the past year for distribution of meth. Both dealers lived on my street a baseball throw away, no one would every suspect a drug dealer to be living in one of these houses. There was also an armed robbery about two years ago at my next-door neighbors house. This is a perfect example of how different things can be from how they seem on the outside.
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Post by sammikimura on Sept 7, 2015 2:18:41 GMT
use this thread to post your film tests and responses: code-11632 1. If there was nothing “meta” physical about me I would feel like my life holds no importance on this Earth. If I were nothing more than my body I would have no purpose in this world. I would be a meaningless human being just taking up space in this world. My life would have no purpose because it would not mean anything once I died. I would feel as if I had no reason to live because I would just be a body of empty mass serving time on earth until I once passed. If there was nothing “meta” physical about me I would feel sad and empty knowing that my body represented my life, and that my life would not be important without my body on earth. 2. The first example of Plato’s Allegory of the cave in my life is when I was growing up as a child in the church. I always thought that there was only one right way to live life. I also always believed that I could not surround myself with people who did not live this one way of life. During high school I realized that many Christians in the church that I attended were mistreating many people including myself. It caused me to stray away from the church and Christianity as a whole because I felt as if my whole religion was a lie. I felt like these people were hypocrites, and they did not practice what they preached. I began to see different ways of living after I removed myself from such a biased environment. I found people who had different beliefs than I did, and soon realized that they were genuinely good people. I realized how wrong and narrow-minded my thoughts were for many years of my life. The second example is my perception and realization of my family while growing up. When I was growing up my parents wanted to protect me and make my life easier because I was obviously young and innocent. I was a clueless child who did not understand certain circumstances at the time. While becoming older and more mature, I started to realize the family dynamics I once never saw. My parents explained the confusions I had, and opened up my eyes to what was actually happening all that time.
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Post by czaragoza3 on Sept 7, 2015 2:27:04 GMT
Response to cdice916: Exam 1, Code 11632 I do agree with your perspective on being labeled just “stuff.” I find it interesting how it can change one’s perspective depending on who delivers the message. The statement that were “just this body” would be less credible if it were from an unknown source. Nowadays, we can’t trust any evidence/statements found online. An exception would be if the research was done by ourselves with valid proof that the evidence was supported. Of course, some people have different views on religion. Some may ultimately look at the glass half-full or half-empty. Whichever standpoint we choose, we tend to find ways to find comfort ourselves effectively. In addition, I am a strong believer in family values. I myself resort to family when it comes to hardships of any sort. Carlos Zaragoza sites.google.com/site/myphilosophychannel/
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